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		<title>By: jj olla</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>jj olla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up on Unix. I have always seen Microsoft as the bad guy. But desktop Linux is a loser, because:

   (i) hardware manufacturers want to sell heavyweight PCs ... they put all efforts into supporting Vista, but NOT into OSs that are light and work fine on smaller or older laptops.

   (ii) Ubuntu is lame, and lacks drivers required to support those new laptops. The problem is actually getting worse as 
newer laptops have more and more hardwired features. Not only internal to the laptop, but many external devices too -- just today a friend tried hooking up his Nokia 6220 as an external drive, and got a &quot;filesystem is not supported message&quot; (yet it works fine on XP SP2). Life is too short to have to spend time adding/patching incomplete OSs.

   (iii) Linux is surprisingly buggy on laptops. Sorry, dudes, but Windoze is more stable. I also find many things slower (eg wireless), or apps are just not the same (Firefox on Ubuntu 8.10 is out-of-date cf XP)

   (iv) Linux fonts suck!!! I don&#039;t want to hear about all the tweaks you could do ... Windoze fonts are nice without you having to waste time. Even with all the expert tuning in the world available to you, Windoze fonts still render better. And if you disagreem and think Linux fonts are actually nicer than Windows .... then you are a minority .... MOST people (i.e. mainstream) disagree with you.


Sorry, Linux lovers: JUST GET OVER IT.  If you love your Linux apps, do as I do:

   a) buy a laptop which fully supports a MS operating system. Go for the entry-level OS. This OS is your best bet at stability and support of the basic environment
 
   b) much of the Linux type command-line stuff is available with Cygwin.

   c) have a Linux server sitting somewhere in your room, ready to serve your favourite apps via Cygwin/X or VNC

   d) if you cant have a separate server, then run VirtualBox (or qemu) on your base MS OS with a Linux distro which will give you the least grief.


Yes, this means scurrilous hardware vendors such as HP, and the evil Microsoft, have won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up on Unix. I have always seen Microsoft as the bad guy. But desktop Linux is a loser, because:</p>
<p>   (i) hardware manufacturers want to sell heavyweight PCs &#8230; they put all efforts into supporting Vista, but NOT into OSs that are light and work fine on smaller or older laptops.</p>
<p>   (ii) Ubuntu is lame, and lacks drivers required to support those new laptops. The problem is actually getting worse as<br />
newer laptops have more and more hardwired features. Not only internal to the laptop, but many external devices too &#8212; just today a friend tried hooking up his Nokia 6220 as an external drive, and got a &#8220;filesystem is not supported message&#8221; (yet it works fine on XP SP2). Life is too short to have to spend time adding/patching incomplete OSs.</p>
<p>   (iii) Linux is surprisingly buggy on laptops. Sorry, dudes, but Windoze is more stable. I also find many things slower (eg wireless), or apps are just not the same (Firefox on Ubuntu 8.10 is out-of-date cf XP)</p>
<p>   (iv) Linux fonts suck!!! I don&#8217;t want to hear about all the tweaks you could do &#8230; Windoze fonts are nice without you having to waste time. Even with all the expert tuning in the world available to you, Windoze fonts still render better. And if you disagreem and think Linux fonts are actually nicer than Windows &#8230;. then you are a minority &#8230;. MOST people (i.e. mainstream) disagree with you.</p>
<p>Sorry, Linux lovers: JUST GET OVER IT.  If you love your Linux apps, do as I do:</p>
<p>   a) buy a laptop which fully supports a MS operating system. Go for the entry-level OS. This OS is your best bet at stability and support of the basic environment</p>
<p>   b) much of the Linux type command-line stuff is available with Cygwin.</p>
<p>   c) have a Linux server sitting somewhere in your room, ready to serve your favourite apps via Cygwin/X or VNC</p>
<p>   d) if you cant have a separate server, then run VirtualBox (or qemu) on your base MS OS with a Linux distro which will give you the least grief.</p>
<p>Yes, this means scurrilous hardware vendors such as HP, and the evil Microsoft, have won.</p>
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		<title>By: sigma martell</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator>sigma martell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you hit on many points and i fully agree with you too.
i work in a retail shop that sells computers and 
computer components. 
on the shelf there are 2 operating systems windows and linux.
 
i would guess that out of every 500 new customer visit
the linux packages gets a quick 5 seconds glance.  
for these customers i think they have no clue what linux is.

guessing again i&#039;d say that every 1000 customer visit the linux package 
gets a 2 -5 minutes lift up, hold, read and return package to 
shelf again. these customers i think may have heard a little 
about linux but have now idea what to make of it.

the sad thing that i have noticed is, of these customers most 
have bought a pc with windows or bought the windows package.
they will then leave the store all happy sometimes with their families, all 
shining with delight while passing a sign that is on top of the linux
stand with big printed words.
--------------------------------
&quot;TAKE with you TODAY 
UBUNTU Linux for FREE&quot;
--------------------------------
we had 15 ubuntu packages to start with, now 3 months later
we have 9

i sometimes think maybe its down to marketing but now that i have 
read your post. i know now that its not true but more like 
its easier to stick with the devil you know (Msoft) then the devil you dont. (linux)

i love linux i use it all the time however i do run dreamweaver under wine.
none the less linux is the best OS that i have come across and will promote
it everywhere that i go.

thanks for the post
SM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you hit on many points and i fully agree with you too.<br />
i work in a retail shop that sells computers and<br />
computer components.<br />
on the shelf there are 2 operating systems windows and linux.</p>
<p>i would guess that out of every 500 new customer visit<br />
the linux packages gets a quick 5 seconds glance.<br />
for these customers i think they have no clue what linux is.</p>
<p>guessing again i&#8217;d say that every 1000 customer visit the linux package<br />
gets a 2 -5 minutes lift up, hold, read and return package to<br />
shelf again. these customers i think may have heard a little<br />
about linux but have now idea what to make of it.</p>
<p>the sad thing that i have noticed is, of these customers most<br />
have bought a pc with windows or bought the windows package.<br />
they will then leave the store all happy sometimes with their families, all<br />
shining with delight while passing a sign that is on top of the linux<br />
stand with big printed words.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&#8220;TAKE with you TODAY<br />
UBUNTU Linux for FREE&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
we had 15 ubuntu packages to start with, now 3 months later<br />
we have 9</p>
<p>i sometimes think maybe its down to marketing but now that i have<br />
read your post. i know now that its not true but more like<br />
its easier to stick with the devil you know (Msoft) then the devil you dont. (linux)</p>
<p>i love linux i use it all the time however i do run dreamweaver under wine.<br />
none the less linux is the best OS that i have come across and will promote<br />
it everywhere that i go.</p>
<p>thanks for the post<br />
SM</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Lehren</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Lehren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian....

A appreciate your points a lot and quite agree with them... Because when it comes to future you can not judge the things in accordance to the current scenarios and projecting them down the line..

But the best part to judge them is to see the real stat&#039;s diversions which are making the curves altogether..

And altogether there is now doubt that future is leading towards open source...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian&#8230;.</p>
<p>A appreciate your points a lot and quite agree with them&#8230; Because when it comes to future you can not judge the things in accordance to the current scenarios and projecting them down the line..</p>
<p>But the best part to judge them is to see the real stat&#8217;s diversions which are making the curves altogether..</p>
<p>And altogether there is now doubt that future is leading towards open source&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Mathew and John mentioned above, a serious flaw in your argument is that you&#039;re looking at the market as it is now, and projecting that situation far into the future (2018?). Windows has the dominant share now, and for (mostly) good reasons, but ...

#1 Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo are all starting to ship Linux pre-installed. Yes, it&#039;s just a niche market now, they&#039;re obviously targeting the early adopters... but the seeds have been planted. That&#039;s a huge change compared to just one year ago.

#2 New form factors are coming into play, especially the sub-notebook (Asus EEE, Everex Cloudbook, HP Mini-Note). Many of the manufacturers behind these products are putting a well-supported Linux distro (Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora) on them to cut costs.

#3 A few powerhouse companies are beginning to port and pay attention to Linux in small ways. Adobe ported Flash and then AIR to Linux, that&#039;s huge. Just 2-3 years ago, Adobe could care less about Linux. Sun opened Java and made it work better with Linux (especially with Java 6). IBM made Lotus Symphony work with Linux.

#4 More and more applications are moving to the web where your OS doesn&#039;t matter. See Photoshop Express for the latest and greatest example (using Flash/Flex which now does run on Linux).

#5 Canonical&#039;s Ubuntu distro has gained such a critical mass of users, that Dell bothered to pre-install it on a laptop. Ubuntu is so popular, well-funded, and well-marketed, it could very well be the one that breaks through the clutter and gains mainstream marketshare.

#6 Most important of all, it is extremely difficult to compete with the price point of free. Especially when your product has as many criticisms and bad press as Windows. Have you read the article in Wired (about free stuff)?

Seeing that you&#039;re writing your posts from a Windows laptop, maybe you just need to admit that you&#039;re on the late adopter side of the curve? I&#039;m writing mine from Ubuntu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mathew and John mentioned above, a serious flaw in your argument is that you&#8217;re looking at the market as it is now, and projecting that situation far into the future (2018?). Windows has the dominant share now, and for (mostly) good reasons, but &#8230;</p>
<p>#1 Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo are all starting to ship Linux pre-installed. Yes, it&#8217;s just a niche market now, they&#8217;re obviously targeting the early adopters&#8230; but the seeds have been planted. That&#8217;s a huge change compared to just one year ago.</p>
<p>#2 New form factors are coming into play, especially the sub-notebook (Asus EEE, Everex Cloudbook, HP Mini-Note). Many of the manufacturers behind these products are putting a well-supported Linux distro (Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora) on them to cut costs.</p>
<p>#3 A few powerhouse companies are beginning to port and pay attention to Linux in small ways. Adobe ported Flash and then AIR to Linux, that&#8217;s huge. Just 2-3 years ago, Adobe could care less about Linux. Sun opened Java and made it work better with Linux (especially with Java 6). IBM made Lotus Symphony work with Linux.</p>
<p>#4 More and more applications are moving to the web where your OS doesn&#8217;t matter. See Photoshop Express for the latest and greatest example (using Flash/Flex which now does run on Linux).</p>
<p>#5 Canonical&#8217;s Ubuntu distro has gained such a critical mass of users, that Dell bothered to pre-install it on a laptop. Ubuntu is so popular, well-funded, and well-marketed, it could very well be the one that breaks through the clutter and gains mainstream marketshare.</p>
<p>#6 Most important of all, it is extremely difficult to compete with the price point of free. Especially when your product has as many criticisms and bad press as Windows. Have you read the article in Wired (about free stuff)?</p>
<p>Seeing that you&#8217;re writing your posts from a Windows laptop, maybe you just need to admit that you&#8217;re on the late adopter side of the curve? I&#8217;m writing mine from Ubuntu.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Byrne</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some interesting points, but it&#039;s the same points that analysts have been making for the past decade. You&#039;re analyzing the market as it is now, but there&#039;s almost no denying that in recent years both Mac and Linux have enjoyed success with modest growth in market share. And at the moment XP is stagnating and Microsoft is struggling to bring anything new to the table.

But who really cares?

At the end of the day both Linux and Mac fill niche, yet expanding markets; their users don&#039;t really care that they don&#039;t have the biggest market share because at the end of the day the computer suits their workflow and is not getting in the way.

It seems to me that the only people really worrying about market-share are Windows users.

Why?

Who knows? Maybe it&#039;s the one thing they can say they do better than anyone else. After all 80% of the computer market can&#039;t be wrong can they???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some interesting points, but it&#8217;s the same points that analysts have been making for the past decade. You&#8217;re analyzing the market as it is now, but there&#8217;s almost no denying that in recent years both Mac and Linux have enjoyed success with modest growth in market share. And at the moment XP is stagnating and Microsoft is struggling to bring anything new to the table.</p>
<p>But who really cares?</p>
<p>At the end of the day both Linux and Mac fill niche, yet expanding markets; their users don&#8217;t really care that they don&#8217;t have the biggest market share because at the end of the day the computer suits their workflow and is not getting in the way.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the only people really worrying about market-share are Windows users.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe it&#8217;s the one thing they can say they do better than anyone else. After all 80% of the computer market can&#8217;t be wrong can they???</p>
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		<title>By: David Casta;eda</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>David Casta;eda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, congrats it&#039;s a nice written article, you definitely hit it when talking about options, the community need to target efforts at least for a while, overall in those simple things, I&#039;m a developer running Ubuntu for more than a year now (with the help of a co-worker, linux expert) and it&#039;s great, but not for Joe Average User, just to point something really fast,, No MP3 in fresh install, I&#039;ve been unable to install my webcam, no ALT + 69 combinations, and as I&#039;m writing this, if you look my name I was unable to change the keyboard layout to write the ASCII 164. :).

(@Amazed, jajaja seems Mark really shut you up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, congrats it&#8217;s a nice written article, you definitely hit it when talking about options, the community need to target efforts at least for a while, overall in those simple things, I&#8217;m a developer running Ubuntu for more than a year now (with the help of a co-worker, linux expert) and it&#8217;s great, but not for Joe Average User, just to point something really fast,, No MP3 in fresh install, I&#8217;ve been unable to install my webcam, no ALT + 69 combinations, and as I&#8217;m writing this, if you look my name I was unable to change the keyboard layout to write the ASCII 164. <img src='http://blog.markturansky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>(@Amazed, jajaja seems Mark really shut you up)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Turansky</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Turansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amazed,

I think you&#039;re providing excellent fodder for my argument.  If this kind of stuff was being written in 1997, then it&#039;s amazing how true is still is a decade later.

I&#039;ll predict that Mac OSX will gain some market share from Windows over the next decade.  Linux on the desktop will still not happen for the masses.  Windows will still be the OS on the large majority of PCs worldwide.  By &quot;large majority&quot;, I mean at least 80%.

Note I said &quot;PCs worldwide.&quot;  I am not talking about smart phones, hand held devices, or anything else.  I&#039;m saying Windows will remain the dominant desktop for PCs for the next decade.

When I write this article again in 2018, please come back and accuse me of cutting and pasting stuff from 1997.

Thanks,
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amazed,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re providing excellent fodder for my argument.  If this kind of stuff was being written in 1997, then it&#8217;s amazing how true is still is a decade later.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll predict that Mac OSX will gain some market share from Windows over the next decade.  Linux on the desktop will still not happen for the masses.  Windows will still be the OS on the large majority of PCs worldwide.  By &#8220;large majority&#8221;, I mean at least 80%.</p>
<p>Note I said &#8220;PCs worldwide.&#8221;  I am not talking about smart phones, hand held devices, or anything else.  I&#8217;m saying Windows will remain the dominant desktop for PCs for the next decade.</p>
<p>When I write this article again in 2018, please come back and accuse me of cutting and pasting stuff from 1997.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, I thought. The arguments were explained really well, and it&#039;s tough to realistically disagree. Good stuff.

Just for the record, I&#039;m a Fedora fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, I thought. The arguments were explained really well, and it&#8217;s tough to realistically disagree. Good stuff.</p>
<p>Just for the record, I&#8217;m a Fedora fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Amazed</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you even copy and paste this ancient shit from 1997 into your blog without gagging? Is there some spamhaus that sells article-spinning copies of &quot;Linux will never make it on the desktop&quot; for a nickel apiece for bloggers who&#039;ve run out of ideas after their second post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you even copy and paste this ancient shit from 1997 into your blog without gagging? Is there some spamhaus that sells article-spinning copies of &#8220;Linux will never make it on the desktop&#8221; for a nickel apiece for bloggers who&#8217;ve run out of ideas after their second post?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mac made primarily for the Average Joe? They&#039;d have a good chance of gaining considerable market share if it weren&#039;t for the network effect. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mac made primarily for the Average Joe? They&#8217;d have a good chance of gaining considerable market share if it weren&#8217;t for the network effect.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Advanced User</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Advanced User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting points by the author but I&#039;d like to say that sooner or later there would be lesser Joe and Jane Average User&#039;s that will have difficulty in using Linux or OSX in their desktops.

Linux is also very serious in training people on basic and advanced linux system administration, which will help this generation&#039;s Average Users.

Dell is also strong on their commitment to provide Linux-ready desktops and laptops.

John Robertson&#039;s comment on third world countries migrating towards FOSS is true and is already happening. The high cost of owning a licensed Microsoft OS will eventually let them choose a better and safer Operating System that is FREE!

I was also an average windows user a few years back, a need to secure my system drove me to use and learn linux because windows just gives me limited options on securing my system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting points by the author but I&#8217;d like to say that sooner or later there would be lesser Joe and Jane Average User&#8217;s that will have difficulty in using Linux or OSX in their desktops.</p>
<p>Linux is also very serious in training people on basic and advanced linux system administration, which will help this generation&#8217;s Average Users.</p>
<p>Dell is also strong on their commitment to provide Linux-ready desktops and laptops.</p>
<p>John Robertson&#8217;s comment on third world countries migrating towards FOSS is true and is already happening. The high cost of owning a licensed Microsoft OS will eventually let them choose a better and safer Operating System that is FREE!</p>
<p>I was also an average windows user a few years back, a need to secure my system drove me to use and learn linux because windows just gives me limited options on securing my system.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hansen</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, informative and cleansed for the usual &quot;FUD&quot; and &quot;religious&quot; crap, though you forgot the most important thing which is that Windows Vista and Office 2007 are greater changes than both switching to (K)Ubuntu and Mac OSX ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, informative and cleansed for the usual &#8220;FUD&#8221; and &#8220;religious&#8221; crap, though you forgot the most important thing which is that Windows Vista and Office 2007 are greater changes than both switching to (K)Ubuntu and Mac OSX <img src='http://blog.markturansky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Robertson</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>John Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now I&#039;m guessing that the majority of Windows customers worldwide are 
using illegitimate copies of Microsoft&#039;s software. As Microsoft clamps down 
on this copyright infringement to improve their revenue stream, they will 
drive the 3rd world increasingly towards FOSS. Offering crippleware versions 
of Windows for less money isn&#039;t going to help much.

Desktops are increasingly being displaced by laptops, or even small computing 
devices like Apple&#039;s iPhone. Laptops are becoming smaller and smaller, and 
the small screens require a modified GUI to work well.

In my opinion, the Asus EeePC is the first mainstream Linux &quot;desktop&quot; success. 
Dell and other competitors aren&#039;t going to stand by and watch their market 
share slip away. Look for more small form factor laptops powered by FOSS in 
the near future. As competition builds in this space, intense pricing 
competition will drive the &quot;Microsoft Tax&quot; out of the equation.

Besides, Vista has got to be one of the worst pieces of software ever to come 
out of Redmond. If this is the best they can do, how hard can it be to take 
away significant market share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now I&#8217;m guessing that the majority of Windows customers worldwide are<br />
using illegitimate copies of Microsoft&#8217;s software. As Microsoft clamps down<br />
on this copyright infringement to improve their revenue stream, they will<br />
drive the 3rd world increasingly towards FOSS. Offering crippleware versions<br />
of Windows for less money isn&#8217;t going to help much.</p>
<p>Desktops are increasingly being displaced by laptops, or even small computing<br />
devices like Apple&#8217;s iPhone. Laptops are becoming smaller and smaller, and<br />
the small screens require a modified GUI to work well.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the Asus EeePC is the first mainstream Linux &#8220;desktop&#8221; success.<br />
Dell and other competitors aren&#8217;t going to stand by and watch their market<br />
share slip away. Look for more small form factor laptops powered by FOSS in<br />
the near future. As competition builds in this space, intense pricing<br />
competition will drive the &#8220;Microsoft Tax&#8221; out of the equation.</p>
<p>Besides, Vista has got to be one of the worst pieces of software ever to come<br />
out of Redmond. If this is the best they can do, how hard can it be to take<br />
away significant market share?</p>
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		<title>By: Windows Vista Support</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Windows Vista Support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux is not tough to learn. It just takes time. People don’t “continue to buy windows” they are forced to buy it. Personally I’ve never purchased a copy of Windows that didn’t come on a computer I purchased. I believe that Mac has a better product but it costs so much. Microsoft now has a monopoly, people are used to it, even tho they hate Vista they’re still going to use it because they don’t know about anything else. I hope that OSX takes a bigger % of the market share although I can say that OSX is far from perfect.

Anyhow I think thats enough of a rant for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux is not tough to learn. It just takes time. People don’t “continue to buy windows” they are forced to buy it. Personally I’ve never purchased a copy of Windows that didn’t come on a computer I purchased. I believe that Mac has a better product but it costs so much. Microsoft now has a monopoly, people are used to it, even tho they hate Vista they’re still going to use it because they don’t know about anything else. I hope that OSX takes a bigger % of the market share although I can say that OSX is far from perfect.</p>
<p>Anyhow I think thats enough of a rant for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Turansky</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-652</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Turansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAR,

You make some good points.  You are right that Linux has no need to satisfy VCs by marketing products or providing a &quot;liquidity event&quot; to satisy their investment.  Linux will never go out of business.  Linux is my preferred server OS.

Windows might not be on top forever, but I do think it will take a &lt;strong&gt;long&lt;/strong&gt; time to displace.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAR,</p>
<p>You make some good points.  You are right that Linux has no need to satisfy VCs by marketing products or providing a &#8220;liquidity event&#8221; to satisy their investment.  Linux will never go out of business.  Linux is my preferred server OS.</p>
<p>Windows might not be on top forever, but I do think it will take a <strong>long</strong> time to displace.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: DAR</title>
		<link>http://blog.markturansky.com/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>DAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reasonable arguments, but I think wrong.

Re: #1:  Customers currently buy PC&#039;s with Windows pre-installed.  So if they bought a PC with a Linux distro and Window manager pre-installed, then this point becomes moot.  And - for the first time in years - they can now do that.  There&#039;s now a well-known, user-friendly, and mainstream distro (Ubuntu) that you can buy pre-installed on your PC (from Dell, as well as other sources).  So this problem is no longer an issue.  At this point a user can just buy &quot;a linux PC&quot; without needing to either know or care about these decisions.

Re: #2:  True this is an issue, but it&#039;s not an insurmountable one.  Just look at how many people have switched to Firefox - a browser that&#039;s &quot;different&quot; from IE.  More than anyone would have thought possible upon its initial release.  Sure, it&#039;ll take time before a large number of people make the switch.  But I&#039;m starting to see more and more people feeling comfortable switching to Linux and other open source s/w.

Re: #3:  irrelevant.  There&#039;s room for more than 2.  People will switch to whatever satisfies their needs.  There&#039;s nothing that dictates that people who are looking for an alternative to Windows must choose Apple.

Plus, never underestimate the allure of cheap over expensive.  No matter how you slice it, Apple&#039;s stuff ain&#039;t cheap!


Mind you, I&#039;m not a zealot who&#039;s ranting that &quot;this is the year of the Linux desktop&quot;.  I&#039;m just pointing out what I think are flaws in your argument - and your conclusion.  I do think that Linux desktop adoption will grow - very slowly, but surely.  Until one day people will wake up and it&#039;ll be a major factor.  Just like with Linux on the server.  Linux has too much efficiency in its model of production, and in its cost of production.  Think about it:  Linux has no need to &quot;rush&quot; its adoption in order to satisfy VC&#039;s.  And it will never &quot;go out of business&quot;.  It will always remain a player, and keep making itself better and better (and never increase its price!) until eventually more and more people will begin to realize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reasonable arguments, but I think wrong.</p>
<p>Re: #1:  Customers currently buy PC&#8217;s with Windows pre-installed.  So if they bought a PC with a Linux distro and Window manager pre-installed, then this point becomes moot.  And &#8211; for the first time in years &#8211; they can now do that.  There&#8217;s now a well-known, user-friendly, and mainstream distro (Ubuntu) that you can buy pre-installed on your PC (from Dell, as well as other sources).  So this problem is no longer an issue.  At this point a user can just buy &#8220;a linux PC&#8221; without needing to either know or care about these decisions.</p>
<p>Re: #2:  True this is an issue, but it&#8217;s not an insurmountable one.  Just look at how many people have switched to Firefox &#8211; a browser that&#8217;s &#8220;different&#8221; from IE.  More than anyone would have thought possible upon its initial release.  Sure, it&#8217;ll take time before a large number of people make the switch.  But I&#8217;m starting to see more and more people feeling comfortable switching to Linux and other open source s/w.</p>
<p>Re: #3:  irrelevant.  There&#8217;s room for more than 2.  People will switch to whatever satisfies their needs.  There&#8217;s nothing that dictates that people who are looking for an alternative to Windows must choose Apple.</p>
<p>Plus, never underestimate the allure of cheap over expensive.  No matter how you slice it, Apple&#8217;s stuff ain&#8217;t cheap!</p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;m not a zealot who&#8217;s ranting that &#8220;this is the year of the Linux desktop&#8221;.  I&#8217;m just pointing out what I think are flaws in your argument &#8211; and your conclusion.  I do think that Linux desktop adoption will grow &#8211; very slowly, but surely.  Until one day people will wake up and it&#8217;ll be a major factor.  Just like with Linux on the server.  Linux has too much efficiency in its model of production, and in its cost of production.  Think about it:  Linux has no need to &#8220;rush&#8221; its adoption in order to satisfy VC&#8217;s.  And it will never &#8220;go out of business&#8221;.  It will always remain a player, and keep making itself better and better (and never increase its price!) until eventually more and more people will begin to realize it.</p>
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